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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/a ... -milk.html

Hot on the heels behind Hugh F-W's tv program on Morrisons


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Before I go off half-cocked (in favour of the farmers) like an uninformed member of the public can someone here tell me the truth?

Are Morrison's full of it or are they doing British farmers any good?

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Flintstone wrote:
Before I go off half-cocked (in favour of the farmers) like an uninformed member of the public can someone here tell me the truth?

Are Morrison's full of it or are they doing British farmers any good?

Think of it like this:
Lets say milk costs 20p to produce, 20p to process and the rest is profit at 60p for the Supermarkets meaning you and I pay a quid a litre (as a basic simple example)

Morrisons etc are now charging £1.20 so the farmer 'gets more'.

The truth is WE are giving more, not them as they still get their 60p plus probably 5p from the extra 20p so they are giving FfuK all away to anyone.

As for Arla, I suppose as long as the increase and share is throughout Europe then in theory our farmers would benefit from the increase from European farmers in the Arla group. :?

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The milk & cheese is made with British milk, from British Arla farmers.
Arla is a European dairy cooperative, owned by around 12,700 farmers, of which around 3,000 are British. http://www.arlafoods.co.uk/about-us/far ... r-farmers/

Obviously, cooperative principles means that all the money for all Arla products goes into one big pot & gets shared out equally, between all Arla farmer owners.

Arla has a long standing supply relationship with Morrisons.
Morrisons brought out the "Milk for Farmers" range, which Arla supplies the milk & cheese for.
See also http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/milk-for-farm ... stions.htm

The Arla farmers from the other European countries have made similar deals for their milk with their supermarkets, which the British Arla farmers benefit equally from.


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I still think Morrisons are portraying that they are the good guys where the truth is that they are doing FfuK all themselves.
It is the public who buy the milk that are giving the extra money.
Morrisons aren't giving fuck all away.

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Lord Muck wrote:
I still think Morrisons are portraying that they are the good guys where the truth is that they are doing FfuK all themselves.
It is the public who buy the milk that are giving the extra money.
Morrisons aren't giving fuck all away.


If its that easy then why aren't the other supermarkets doing it as well then??


From squits explanation there could be money coming to Arla uk members from their counterparts in europe? Didn't see that in the media's portrayal :?

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footsfitter wrote:
Lord Muck wrote:
I still think Morrisons are portraying that they are the good guys where the truth is that they are doing FfuK all themselves.
It is the public who buy the milk that are giving the extra money.
Morrisons aren't giving fuck all away.


If its that easy then why aren't the other supermarkets doing it as well then??


From squits explanation there could be money coming to Arla uk members from their counterparts in europe? Didn't see that in the media's portrayal :?

Have the other supermarkets realised that most people know what Morrisons are up to ?
I've already posted that in theory, British farmers should benefit from Arla abroad.
I think that's a good thing.

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A local farmer was telling me recently what its like to be a family [owned] dairy farm. A few years ago they had increased the number of cows which are housed in-doors all the time, feeding silage & concentrates. Milked 3 times a day.

They are currently receiving 19p litre for 80% of the milk produced and 9.5p litre for the remaining 20%.

On these returns they can not afford to continue with the existing system. So the less productive cows have been culled to reduce numbers, cows are only milked twice a day and are outside in summer to eat fresh grass. They have made cuts in the concentrates, only feeding grass silage now. The Spring Wheat they traditionally grow for whole crop silage has been combined this year to use the grain as part of the rations. The more milk they produce the more money they are losing.

His words were "its all about survival now".


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footsfitter wrote:
Lord Muck wrote:
I still think Morrisons are portraying that they are the good guys where the truth is that they are doing FfuK all themselves.
It is the public who buy the milk that are giving the extra money.
Morrisons aren't giving fuck all away.


If its that easy then why aren't the other supermarkets doing it as well then??

The other supermarkets are watching it very closely from the sidelines to see how it works.
Morrisons & Arla have been very surprised & pleased how popular this has been.



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From squits explanation there could be money coming to Arla uk members from their counterparts in europe? Didn't see that in the media's portrayal :?

Danish supermarket Rema 1000 has increased the price it pays for it's milk, similar to what Asda has done. Also Aldi and Lidl in Germany
I don't think there's anywhere else that's asked the customer to pay the extra though!

Lurpak is a Danish brand, made by licence by Arla & can only be made with Danish milk.
I'm sure if any of the other country's farmers decided that they wanted to keep money from their milk just for their farmers then they'd be quick to keep Lurpak profits! :o


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So Asda has increased the price IT pays ?

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Lord Muck wrote:
So Asda has increased the price IT pays ?

Yes.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ry-farmers

You should also notice that all Asda brand dairy produce supplied by Arla will soon all have the #farmerowned marque on it. All the milks have it on now & the butter, cheese, etc will follow.

http://your.asda.com/news-and-blogs/we- ... rough-arla


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Then Asda are to be applauded. 8)

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Well its all a bit too late for this household, last thursday the new Waitrose/John Lewis at home store opened in town, stocked up with

proper milk

Had blue top this morning with that funny stuff settled on the top on the bran flakes this morning :D


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Mrs ff is happy as its organic (!) , I'm happy cos at least it tastes a bit like milk I grew up with and its only a mile and a bit away !!

Don't do the red stuff though, although I expect theirs would probably be near some of the semi-skimmed the wide-boys flog?

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I wish I had your money...

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