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 Post subject: TB
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:33 am 
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Very annoying ,isn't it??

We currently are under restriction after ONE reactor showed herself .
Turns out she hadn't shown TB lesions so we only need one clear full herd test ,under normal interpretation.
I know a few of you are or have been struggling with it.

I hope this new research ,where they have been fiddling with mice , to make cattle resistant to it , works!!

Quite frankly ,it makes life a misery , but you get on with it :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:56 pm 
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Sorry to hear that Huffs

We have finally insisted that our senior vet partner doesn't test our cattle anymore, he seems determined to find a lump & if he does he goes on a big ego trip of "I am going to have to close you down" We have nicknamed him Badluck. He doesn't like it - so we're told, but tough shit.

The other 2 vets do the job in half the time & for the first time since 2010, we had a clear annual test.
I will never know if it's a coincidence / unfortunate / deliberate, either way it cost us 12 grand last year after a 10 month old steer (that had never seen grass) had a big lump with no lesions & nothing on lab culture. 2 lots of testing & 120 days shut down.

We don't have many badgers about, we have lots of deer, we have a near-ish neighbour with about 60 alpacas on 12 acres. Someone suggested to me that what they tested the cattle with was sure to give lumps. Maybe we will never know ?

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Had a clear annual test last week, as yet have never had a reactor ,but south over the other side of the hill there is an oncoming wave of TB its only a matter of time.

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Clear annual test today :D

Hopefully our secret policy is working

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Good news 8)

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rogerm wrote:
Clear annual test today :D

Hopefully our secret policy is working


Where can I by a pair of badger skin trousers?

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rogerm wrote:
Clear annual test today :D

Hopefully our secret policy is working


Great news rog!

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The Pretender wrote:
rogerm wrote:
Clear annual test today :D

Hopefully our secret policy is working


Where can I by a pair of badger skin trousers?


A few weeks ago we went to Westlake, Peterborough then up near Boston, we counted 10 of the bloody things dead lay by the side of the A47. I didn't think they had such things in East Anglia

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:44 pm 
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Fantastic news Rog !!!
When you have been shut down , a clear is such a great feeling if not tinged with a bit of annoyance at things have got as bad as they have !
Where we keep our heifers a mile away , had a meeting with the owners /landlords this afternoon . They explained how they had applied for the new stewardship scheme for field corners (means we lose an acre that's going to be fenced off so he can get his share of the 8 million that's on offer this yr !
We currently have the heifers fenced off from a corner by the canal where theres a ffuking humungous excavation that the stripey bastards have mined out over the last 5 yrs !
His wife said had we seen the extra holes out in the field - what did it mean ?? I was tempted to say it meant pop pop bang was needed , but restrained meself ! :eye:

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rogerm wrote:
The Pretender wrote:
rogerm wrote:
Clear annual test today :D

Hopefully our secret policy is working


Where can I by a pair of badger skin trousers?


A few weeks ago we went to Westlake, Peterborough then up near Boston, we counted 10 of the bloody things dead lay by the side of the A47. I didn't think they had such things in East Anglia


They are becoming more common around here.

Two dead on the A14 near me yesterday. (I missed the third one!!! :D )

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<raises hand>


In my simple head I don't understand why if we can be inoculated against TB (I still have the scar on my arm from mine) cows can't be treated the same. What's the difference?

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In my simple head I don't understand why if we can be inoculated against TB (I still have the scar on my arm from mine) cows can't be treated the same. What's the difference?


The idea is the the UK is TB free, inoculating the cattle will not stop them passing TB on, just stop the getting it. No TB, no need for vaccines. Same deal with foot and mouth. We're an island, it should be easy

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Flintstone wrote:
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In my simple head I don't understand why if we can be inoculated against TB (I still have the scar on my arm from mine) cows can't be treated the same. What's the difference?


1. No effective vaccine for cows ( or badgers despite what Brian May says )

2. If you vaccinate, you lose the ability to test for the presence of M. bovis, the bacteria that can go on to cause TB. So then you can no longer test cattle.

For anyone that doesn't know, for testing, cattle are injected with both avian (bird) & bovine TB and the skin thickness measured at the injection sites. If there is a skin swelling / reaction the skin is re-measured. Usually if bovine site has the bigger lump, the cow is a "reactor" & condemned to death. If the swellings are equal or the avian one is bigger, then the cow is clean. Like I said above, it's not a test for TB, just a test for the bacteria that can cause TB.

If you get a reactor you have to test everything again 60 days later & another 60 days after that. If you get 2 clear tests you are clean & back on annual testing.

If you test January-March you have a greater chance of going clear. This is because cattle are more likely to be in sheds, not eating grass that has been pissed or dribbled on by a badger.

All cattle above 42 days are tested annually in a high risk area. Badgers are not tested even though they are mass excretors of M.bovis and in most cases it is badgers that spread it to cattle.

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Got it. TB free rather than inoculated but carrying. Two more townie questions if you don't mind.

Are other countries TB free? If not, how do they get on with consuming and exporting?

What are the risks of eating meat or drinking milk from a carrier?

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Flintstone wrote:
Got it. TB free rather than inoculated but carrying. Two more townie questions if you don't mind.

Are other countries TB free? If not, how do they get on with consuming and exporting?

What are the risks of eating meat or drinking milk from a carrier?


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