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Re: Tools

Post by The Pretender » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:57 am

Had a bit of a spending spree of late. A 19mm combination spanner had to be sacrificed to get a hydraulic line of the combine, so I got some Clarke flare nut spanners for next time and a Facom 19mm combination spanner to replace my Draper one. It's nice, but I prefer the Teng spanners.

Bought some nice screw drivers https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wera-051332850 ... B00MUJ39AM they can be hit on the handle with a hammer

and my new pin punches came to day http://www.onlyqualitytools.com/catalog ... 715.H.html each punch has a serial number on it :lol: 8)
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Re: Tools

Post by McFarmer » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:57 pm

Never seen chrome punches, one might ask why.

Those are good screwdrivers.
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Re: Tools

Post by Tel » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:27 pm

Having been a combine driver again this year I decided I needed 16 and 18 Rachet spanner’s I found a second hand set on eBay that I managed to win 8mm to 19 for £80 from blue point checked when the van came in and they are £230.

Now looking for a 3/4 socket set lost out on a teng one today on eBay as the price was too close to the new blue point price from the man in the van

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Re: Tools

Post by The Pretender » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:41 am

What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
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Re: Tools

Post by graybo » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:18 am

The Pretender wrote:What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
Not taken a new Johner apart recently then?
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Re: Tools

Post by RGSP » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:43 am

The Pretender wrote:What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
16 and 18 mm AF are ISO standard sizes. 17 and 19 are DIN standard sizes for the same threads. The smaller ones are (would you believe?) slightly cheaper.

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Re: Tools

Post by Coltheox » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:19 am

RGSP wrote:
The Pretender wrote:What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
16 and 18 mm AF are ISO standard sizes. 17 and 19 are DIN standard sizes for the same threads. The smaller ones are (would you believe?) slightly cheaper.
If I remember correctly, 17mm is almost exactly equivalent to 11/16 AF, and 19mm to 3/4 AF.
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Re: Tools

Post by RGSP » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:14 pm

Coltheox wrote:
RGSP wrote:
The Pretender wrote:What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
16 and 18 mm AF are ISO standard sizes. 17 and 19 are DIN standard sizes for the same threads. The smaller ones are (would you believe?) slightly cheaper.
If I remember correctly, 17mm is almost exactly equivalent to 11/16 AF, and 19mm to 3/4 AF.
11/16" = 17.46 mm, and 3/4" = 19.05 mm, so 3/4" and 19mm are pretty well interchangeable, but 11/16" and 17mm aren't except in an emergency and then only an 11/16" spanner on a 17mm nut, and not the other way round.

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Re: Tools

Post by footsfitter » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:11 pm

RGSP wrote:
Coltheox wrote:
RGSP wrote:
The Pretender wrote:What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
16 and 18 mm AF are ISO standard sizes. 17 and 19 are DIN standard sizes for the same threads. The smaller ones are (would you believe?) slightly cheaper.
If I remember correctly, 17mm is almost exactly equivalent to 11/16 AF, and 19mm to 3/4 AF.
11/16" = 17.46 mm, and 3/4" = 19.05 mm, so 3/4" and 19mm are pretty well interchangeable, but 11/16" and 17mm aren't except in an emergency and then only an 11/16" spanner on a 17mm nut, and not the other way round.
I'd thought you'd of been more at ease with BSF & Whitworth Dick? :wink:
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Re: Tools

Post by RGSP » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:18 pm

footsfitter wrote:
RGSP wrote:
Coltheox wrote:
RGSP wrote:
The Pretender wrote:What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
16 and 18 mm AF are ISO standard sizes. 17 and 19 are DIN standard sizes for the same threads. The smaller ones are (would you believe?) slightly cheaper.
If I remember correctly, 17mm is almost exactly equivalent to 11/16 AF, and 19mm to 3/4 AF.
11/16" = 17.46 mm, and 3/4" = 19.05 mm, so 3/4" and 19mm are pretty well interchangeable, but 11/16" and 17mm aren't except in an emergency and then only an 11/16" spanner on a 17mm nut, and not the other way round.
I'd thought you'd of been more at ease with BSF & Whitworth Dick? :wink:
Nah! I stock nuts and bolts (+ taps & dies) from M1.6 to M16, and try never to use imperial sizes other than BSP and BSPP, which I can't really avoid for steam piping.

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Re: Tools

Post by footsfitter » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:37 pm

RGSP wrote:
footsfitter wrote:
RGSP wrote:
Coltheox wrote:
RGSP wrote:
16 and 18 mm AF are ISO standard sizes. 17 and 19 are DIN standard sizes for the same threads. The smaller ones are (would you believe?) slightly cheaper.
If I remember correctly, 17mm is almost exactly equivalent to 11/16 AF, and 19mm to 3/4 AF.
11/16" = 17.46 mm, and 3/4" = 19.05 mm, so 3/4" and 19mm are pretty well interchangeable, but 11/16" and 17mm aren't except in an emergency and then only an 11/16" spanner on a 17mm nut, and not the other way round.
I'd thought you'd of been more at ease with BSF & Whitworth Dick? :wink:
Nah! I stock nuts and bolts (+ taps & dies) from M1.6 to M16, and try never to use imperial sizes other than BSP and BSPP, which I can't really avoid for steam piping.
Mainstream metric sizes now seem to of become more complicated with the fad for reduced head hex sizes to shank size and then they start using the other "non preferred" thread pitches as well.

On the hydraulic front BSP is still strangely the dominant thread of choice in europe for valve ports but new kit now sometimes comes with full metric plumbing where components are available and also there has been quite an adoption of new style face sealing styles - ORFS flat face being one style

Meanwhile over in Trumpland they are fiercely defending their JIC threads but it seems that dear old metric is creeping in there, probably due to the lack of a proper wall blocking such un-nationalisic changes?
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Re: Tools

Post by graybo » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:29 pm

Hydraulic fittings are a fecking nightmare for our job.
My mate Pete carries 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" bsp fittings. 6mm and 8mm flat face and some JIC stuff on the van.
We also keep 3/4" and various other bigger stuff back at base.
He still always has to rummage to find what he needs, it looks like a carboot sale when we do a hydraulic install.
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Re: Tools

Post by Flintstone » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:06 pm

RGSP wrote:
Coltheox wrote:
RGSP wrote:
The Pretender wrote:What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
16 and 18 mm AF are ISO standard sizes. 17 and 19 are DIN standard sizes for the same threads. The smaller ones are (would you believe?) slightly cheaper.
If I remember correctly, 17mm is almost exactly equivalent to 11/16 AF, and 19mm to 3/4 AF.
11/16" = 17.46 mm, and 3/4" = 19.05 mm, so 3/4" and 19mm are pretty well interchangeable, but 11/16" and 17mm aren't except in an emergency and then only an 11/16" spanner on a 17mm nut, and not the other way round.

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Re: Tools

Post by NQIT » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:40 am

Flintstone wrote:
RGSP wrote:
Coltheox wrote:
RGSP wrote:
The Pretender wrote:What is it with Claas and 16 and 18mm spanners? Not needed to use them on anything else.
16 and 18 mm AF are ISO standard sizes. 17 and 19 are DIN standard sizes for the same threads. The smaller ones are (would you believe?) slightly cheaper.
If I remember correctly, 17mm is almost exactly equivalent to 11/16 AF, and 19mm to 3/4 AF.
11/16" = 17.46 mm, and 3/4" = 19.05 mm, so 3/4" and 19mm are pretty well interchangeable, but 11/16" and 17mm aren't except in an emergency and then only an 11/16" spanner on a 17mm nut, and not the other way round.

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Re: Tools

Post by RGSP » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:43 am

Steamboat owners (of which there are very few) in mainland Europe, laugh at us for using adjustable spanners - known in several countries (as well as France) as "le clef Anglais". When you point out to them that the engine is 110 years old, and has 15 different types of nuts and bolts, to say nothing of the pipe fittings, adding up to getting on for 40 different nut sizes for the whole boat, they then accept the need. Carrying small, medium and large adjustables in the steamboat tool kit is fair enough.

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