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Taper Roller Bearings

Post by The Pretender » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:29 pm

We have a Lemken furrow press that got widened and modified by John ages ago. it has been decided that it needs new bearings and I am doing it.

Any road, I have one of the hubs off and got a bearing oot that has no numbers on it, but I think if it give my measurements to our bearing person they can get me the ones I need. Does a 41mm shaft sound right, or has he made it imperial?

So, I asks the fabricator bloke to have a quick look at it and he said to make sure I grease the bearings properly. I was going to clean all the old gunk out, smoother the new bearings in grease and pump loads of grease in via the grease nipple. He says I have to put the bearing wide side down on the bench and push grease between the inner part and the bearings. Is this necessary?
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Re: Taper Roller Bearings

Post by HESSTON4860s » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:02 pm

I used to do just as you where planning on doing. I used to be fitting them to the Opel wheels on are standen tornado beet machine, plaster plenty grease on fit everything back together spin Opel wheel and grease again tho nipple.

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Re: Taper Roller Bearings

Post by defender » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:10 pm

you can usually suss out a bearing number from the charts on here , digital micrometer is your friend here 8)
http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/Taper- ... index.html
I don't think 41 mm would be a common size , probably imperial
I usually do as you say , put a good wipe of grease on the rollers and fill hub with the grease gun , works for me

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Re: Taper Roller Bearings

Post by footsfitter » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:02 pm

I have a couple of Dormer fractional to metric conversion charts in the workshop to squint at. So being home googling "fractional to metric conversion chart" produced this-

http://www.hamuniverse.com/antfrac.html


1-5/8" = 1.6250" = 41.2750mm


Defender looks to be right, probably imperial.

Rule of thumb with greasing bearings- the faster they spin the less grease you require- it will only get blown out if its too much. In your case press bearings = as much as possible. Easiest way to pack them is to get a keg of grease and just use a handful of grease using the palm to push and scrape grease into both sides of the cage.

FYi- For trailer wheel bearings running at more moderate speeds than your press, I pack the cone(bit with the rollers) cage 100% full, smear a bit round the outside of the cage & rollers, the cup(outer bit) gets a light covering so there is no chance of metal-metal contact. Install hub seal- if old exposed lip type- light film of grease, bung on hub/wheel, repeat with the outer bearing and then fit washer & nut. I never put grease in the void between the bearings or in the hub cap. Waste of time, overpacking can lead to it getting hot and blowing grease out.

On the other hand for slow moving trailers, implements then pack the whole thing well. For stuff prone to water ingress I use a water resistant aqua grease.
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Re: Taper Roller Bearings

Post by dust n diesel » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:24 pm

footsfitter wrote:I have a couple of Dormer fractional to metric conversion charts in the workshop to squint at. So being home googling "fractional to metric conversion chart" produced this-

http://www.hamuniverse.com/antfrac.html


1-5/8" = 1.6250" = 41.2750mm


Defender looks to be right, probably imperial.

Rule of thumb with greasing bearings- the faster they spin the less grease you require- it will only get blown out if its too much. In your case press bearings = as much as possible. Easiest way to pack them is to get a keg of grease and just use a handful of grease using the palm to push and scrape grease into both sides of the cage.

FYi- For trailer wheel bearings running at more moderate speeds than your press, I pack the cone(bit with the rollers) cage 100% full, smear a bit round the outside of the cage & rollers, the cup(outer bit) gets a light covering so there is no chance of metal-metal contact. Install hub seal- if old exposed lip type- light film of grease, bung on hub/wheel, repeat with the outer bearing and then fit washer & nut. I never put grease in the void between the bearings or in the hub cap. Waste of time, overpacking can lead to it getting hot and blowing grease out.

On the other hand for slow moving trailers, implements then pack the whole thing well. For stuff prone to water ingress I use a water resistant aqua grease.
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Re: Taper Roller Bearings

Post by Coltheox » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:16 am

The Pretender wrote:We have a Lemken furrow press that got widened and modified by John ages ago. it has been decided that it needs new bearings and I am doing it.

Any road, I have one of the hubs off and got a bearing oot that has no numbers on it, but I think if it give my measurements to our bearing person they can get me the ones I need. Does a 41mm shaft sound right, or has he made it imperial?

So, I asks the fabricator bloke to have a quick look at it and he said to make sure I grease the bearings properly. I was going to clean all the old gunk out, smoother the new bearings in grease and pump loads of grease in via the grease nipple. He says I have to put the bearing wide side down on the bench and push grease between the inner part and the bearings. Is this necessary?
Absolutely necessary. Gret' ol lump of grease in your palm of your hand. Press edge of bearing into grease until you can see the grease coming out of the other edge of the bearing. Do that all the way round the bearing.

Then clean up!!! :D
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Re: Taper Roller Bearings

Post by Flintstone » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:08 pm

Coltheox wrote:
The Pretender wrote:We have a Lemken furrow press that got widened and modified by John ages ago. it has been decided that it needs new bearings and I am doing it.

Any road, I have one of the hubs off and got a bearing oot that has no numbers on it, but I think if it give my measurements to our bearing person they can get me the ones I need. Does a 41mm shaft sound right, or has he made it imperial?

So, I asks the fabricator bloke to have a quick look at it and he said to make sure I grease the bearings properly. I was going to clean all the old gunk out, smoother the new bearings in grease and pump loads of grease in via the grease nipple. He says I have to put the bearing wide side down on the bench and push grease between the inner part and the bearings. Is this necessary?
Absolutely necessary. Gret' ol lump of grease in your palm of your hand. Press edge of bearing into grease until you can see the grease coming out of the other edge of the bearing. Do that all the way round the bearing.

Then clean up!!! :D

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Re: Taper Roller Bearings

Post by The Pretender » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:22 pm

Our bearing supplier is picking up the old bearings and seals and getting us new ones. No identification marks on them and no notes in any of his books.
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